Me  and my  buddy, Eric, were discussing the upcoming Mir/Carwin fight and it got a  little  heated because he feels that Mir is better than I give him credit  for.
For  further elaboration, I asked him to do an entry for the blog:
ABSTRACT
Mir has a realistic chance of  beating any  heavyweight out there except Fedor.  A key point is that he has good  submissions  off his back, which is critical since many of the top heavyweights are  elite  wrestlers who will surely put him on his back.  (BTW, Mir was a high  school state  champ in wrestling himself, so actually his wrestling is underrated IMO  -- but  obviously that just doesn't compare to NCAA All-American.)  In most  cases it  comes down to whether Mir can submit the other guy from his back; if  not, his  opponent will win by control.
OPPONENTS (IN ORDER OF  DIFFICULTY)
1.  Fedor Emelianenko
Fedor destroys Mir due  to  superior skills in all aspects of the game.  He lands more powerful  strikes, has  excellent balance on the feet due to being a Sambo champion, and has a  fundamentally sound and deadly submission game.  Certainly Mir will not  be able  to submit Fedor, especially since Nogueira couldn't.  Mir is not known  for his  GNP, and the only thing Fedor *might* be susceptible to is a cut.   However I  expect Fedor will probably take him down and GNP to death.
Fedor is a  75-25  favorite.
2.  Josh Barnett
I actually think this would be  Mir's  greatest test outside of Fedor, not Lesnar or otherwise.  (This is due  to style  matchup, not because I think Barnett is the 2nd best heavyweight.)   Barnett is a  fairly large heavyweight, who knows how to use his size to control  opponents.   He has tons of experience, excellent ground game, decent standup.  I  think he  has way too much experience and savvy to be submitted by Mir, and I  think he's a  little better in all other aspects including wrestling.  So he controls  the  fight and takes the win.
I would make Barnett a 65-35 favorite.
3.    Brock Lesnar
Both Lesnar and Mir have the power to hurt the  other  fighter on the feet.  The overwhelmingly likely scenario is that Brock  takes Mir  down.  I will just assume that Mir starts from his back.  That will  basically  test Brock's top control against Mir's dangerous guard game.  Brock beat  Mir in  their rematch by overpowering him on the ground.  With Mir currently  bulked up  to 265, and possibly to 285 in the future as planned, this will no  longer  happen.  Although Brock will still be stronger (pending his recovery  from his  intestinal health problems), he will not be able to overwhelm Mir with  brute  force on the ground.  The question is whether his additional bulk with  impede  Mir's already suspect cardio.  If not, it comes down to a question of  skill.   Mir has a very dangerous guard and could submit Brock with a variety of   submissions.  But if he doesn't submit Brock, then Brock takes it by  control  (Mir also has to be careful about GNP of course).
I put odds at  50-50.
4.  Shane Carwin
He has tremendous power so if he  hits Mir  flush it's lights out; however his striking looks very sloppy.  Of  course he  also has good wrestling and tremendous GNP, relying on sheer power more  than  technique to overwhelm opponents; in this aspect he is even more  dangerous than  Brock.  I think Mir has more polished striking and will play "stick and  move"  with him.  If he's taken down, as I thin is likely, Mir could submit him  off his  back, but also an equal probability could get TKO'd via GNP.
I would  put odds  at 50-50.
5.  Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
Mir already beat  him, with  the caveat that Nogueira had a staph infection.  I'm not sure if that  explains  why Big Nog was so stiff and let Mir uppercut him to death.  Even though   Nogueira clearly has a better pedigree of fights, he also has much more  wear  & tear on him.  At this stage, I would say he is even with Mir both  in  standup and on the ground.
I would again say chances of Mir winning are  about  50-50.
6.  Cain Velasquez
I don't think Cain has the power  to  finish Mir either on the feet or on the ground, as illustrated by Cain's  fight  with Kongo.  His wrestling will put Mir on his back, where I think Mir  would  submit him due to his experience. I put Mir a 60-40 favorite.
7.   Junior  dos Santos
Has good power on the feet, but I think Mir has decent  standup  -- enough to avoid getting KO'ed.  Once on the ground, dos Santos is a  purple  belt in BJJ, but gets submitted by Mir.
I put Mir as a 70-30 favorite.
8.    Brett Rogers
He has great power on the feet, but hasn't shown  anything  on the ground.  If Mir gets him down, I think Mir could easily submit  him.
I  put Mir at 75-25.
9.  Cheick Kongo
Mir already beat him,  was  easier than I expected.  I expected Kongo to hurt Mir on the feet, not  the other  way around.  Once it hit the ground, game was done.
Saturday, January 23, 2010
Guest Post - Frank Mir is a Top Heavyweight
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I respectfully disagree with this post. I feel there are holes that were not addressed.
ReplyDeleteI think Mir has maybe a 5% chance against Fedor. Fedor has beaten a prime Nog twice (a better grappler than Mir) and he's beaten way better strikers than Mir. I can't see what Mir could do to beat Fedor in a fight other than smuggle in machetes and even then it I think Fedor would be the favorite.
Against Brock, I don't know if the extra size will help that much. Brock also uses leverage and position to hold down Mir. I see Brock as a favorite against Mir in a rubber match.
Mir beat Nog who had staph and a torn knee ligament. Steve could have won that match.
I agree that he beats Cain, but I can't see him being the favorite against Carwin or Dos Santos because while he can tap them on the ground, how is he going to get it to the ground?
Mir's record isn't really that good. He's beaten a corpse (Nog), Brock (his second fight), Tim Sylvia and Kongo (never good). On the other side, he had to rally to beat Wes Sims (terrible and should never fight again), lost to Marcio Cruz (not in the UFC), lost to Brandon Vera (no longer a heavyweight and might not be a top 10 light heavyweight), and he was absolutely crushed by Lesnar in the rematch. I'm just not sold on Mir and I think he's a bit overrated.
Great comments, Chytchua.
ReplyDeleteWhile I think Nog would have still tapped me with a Can Opener, I agree with most of your other comments.